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Post by: Dr Deepak Shetty



My two bits about DNB but it ll be a long post.

Disclaimer- These are my opinions and yours can differ. So in such cases let's agree to disagree.

Hello all, i am writing this post because of all the hullabaloo about dnb in the group and any comment in the group invites a barrage of queries. There are few concerns about dnb- few genuine, few exaggerated and few downright malicious.

I am a 3rd year DNB OBG resident in Bangalore Baptist Hospital. My AIQ rank was 4.7k. It was quite a scandal when i took OBG and then DNB within my family circles. And over time I keep asking myself if my decision was wrong or right. As of now, it seems like a right choice.

I will try to address a few myths about dnb. I apologize for people who would text me on my messenger coz i wudnt be able to text you back since i ve my own exams to worry about. Good institutions are something you need to find out. Other than my institute and my department, i cant talk much coz i genuinely don't know.

PERCEPTION

My mom asked me why i wanted to do "diploma" when I told her the full form of dnb. And it took time to convince her about the course. My dad was quite confident about my decision though he knew nothing about it.

 My three years in dnb has enlightened me that it doesn't matter what degree you have to the general public. If you are compassionate, skillful and knowledgeable patients will come. It's word of mouth which fetches you the patients and not your degree.

That said, bias exists among ourselves. Some have condescending views about dnb, probably the reason why i am writing this post right now. And definitely the institute matters, but my personal opinion is if you complete dnb from a good institution, it's as good as any medical college.

QUALITY

DNB really strives for quality education. There is something called formative assessment tests every year comprising of theory and practical exams which have no bearing on your final exam marks but let's you know where you stand. Thesis and research is a big deal. You are mandated to attend a workshop on research methodology. You are supposed to complete ACLS and BLS training. And thesis is scrutinized well.

JOB OPPORTUNITIES

There is plenty of work available after finishing. Hospitals don't have a bias to hire you. Medical colleges are a little iffy to hire you but i know a lot of them have joined medical colleges without issues. If you want to hone your skills post dnb, medical colleges are not the only place, you can join district hospitals too where there is ample scope for honing your skills.
If at all there is a lil bias against dnbs probably it rests in medical colleges probably because of inherent hypocrisy in government rules which has a clear bias against dnb.

EXAMS

This probably is one of the biggest misconceptions about dnb. The sheer ignorance of people about it is baffling. Exams are difficult. I agree. But rumors of abysmal pass percentage is a big myth and quite malicious too. Dnb exams are tougher but it genuinely tests your character. Theory Questions focus on clinical skills as well as recent advances. Practical exams are held in a neutral location. But good students usually pass.. In my institute, there is always a pass percentage of above 90 percent over all departments. Same goes for many good institutions. People who don't work hard, or who have had a huge bad luck during practicals fail. As simple as that.

CONS

Definitely nothing can be hunky dory. Dnb does have cons. The biggest of which is the government's stepmotherly treatment towards it probably to protect interests of rich owners of private hospitals. Government promises equivalence but it is always a distant dream. It's laughable that government endorses two sets of pg course and tells them it's ALMOST EQUAL but biases them in their own institutions.

Next comes the bureaucratic mess that is nbe. You all know it already i guess. Getting things done takes time n you are at the mercy of people on top.

Another is non uniformity of institutions. Exams are uniform. That is very commendable. But so much difference in how institutes are run, or academics are conducted or hands on.

Paperwork. This is probably the biggest issue i personally have. Most of time in pg is spent on doing endless paperwork. So many drug sheets, so many consents, so many registers. But such is the world that medico legal issues have become the biggest threat to medical profession these days. Sometimes i feel it's good that we learn to be careful early in the career.

BOTTOM LINE

    DNB is a lifeline for people who are hardworking, come from lower or middle class background and who cannot take repeated drops to get to the dream institute. If you are getting a good government college and you are getting your branch, i wud advise them to take government college itself. But paying exorbitant fees for private colleges with poor teaching facilities and less hands on is mindless( though there are few excellent private medical colleges too).

   Nobody has a dnb institute as their dream institution. It just happens to you. If you are getting your preferred branch in a good institution, then take it. People will keep discouraging you but don't miss an opportunity to be trained in a good institution in a preferred branch. But it takes a lot of effort to make sure it's a good hospital. And trust me, it's worth it. And presently i am happy that i took dnb. Absolutely no regrets!

All the best folks
Based on recent Indian Resident Doctors Salary/Stipend Survey 2020 conducted by World Surgery Forum, we will be publishing a series of state-wise reports. The survey received around 257 responses, we hope that more people will come forward and contribute to this depository to get easy access to important information which is required to select the best institute. We hope in coming days more people will be participating in this survey to make this depository even more informative.

You can also contribute anonymous information about your institute here.

Below are the Resident Doctor Stipend/ Salaries in New Delhi based on our survey.

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Time stampWhat is your stipend/salary?What is your specialty?Course/ Residency/ Job ProfileWhat is your current Post?In which institute are you currently working?Which city is your institute located?What state is your institute located?Please give a frank descriptive review about the quality of clinical exposure, teaching, hands on experience and other aspects in your institute. (This data is anonymous and your identity is not recorded in this survey)
2018108000NeurosurgeryMS/MDSenior residentDDU hospital new DelhiNew DelhiDelhiOnly trauma surgery
201892000OrthopaedicsMS/MDPgSafdarjangDelhiDelhiGood
201882000Thoracic SurgeryDNB SuperspecialtyResident Sir Gangaram HospitalNew DelhiDelhiAverage
201880000SurgeryNon-AcademicSenior resident ApolloDelhiDelhi Nothing
201880000General Surgery DNB Broad SpecialtySenior Resident St. Stephen's Hospital Delhi DelhiTeaching is good. Clinical exposure is not as in govt hospitals. Hands on experience is limited.
201880000Plastic surgeryDNB SuperspecialtyDNB traineeLok Nayak Hospital & MAMCDelhiDelhi
201874346OrthopaedicsDNB Broad SpecialtyJunior residentHindu Rao HospitalDelhiDelhiExposure is fine.but variety of cases can't be seen.as many aspects like, scopy, spine Sx, and various plasty are not done here.Hand on is also fine.u get to do independent and supervised Sx,t though limited.
2018100000General SurgeryNon-AcademicSenior Resident ESI FaridabadFaridabadHaryanaOnly basic surgical procedures being done in hospital. Non academic post. No teachings and cme.
201860000SurgeryMS/MDJrPgi rohtakRohtakHaryanaGood
201895,000General SurgeryNon-AcademicSenior Resident Fortis Hospital, NoidaNoidaUttar PradeshVery less hands on. Get to assist a variety of cases. Good exposure to laparoscopic procedure.
201880000General SurgeryNon-AcademicSenior ResidentESI Hospital, NoidaNoidaUttar PradeshGood hands on experience. Nil academics. Low exposure to complicated cases and surgeries as they are referred to higher centers.
201994500Medicine pgMS/MDPost graduate studentLady hardinge medical collegeDelhiDelhi
201985000DNB NeurosurgeryDNB SuperspecialtyDNB Superspeciality ResidentParas HospitalsGurgaonHaryanaTeaching ok, variety and number of cases good, hands on limited to few steps in each case , but no free hand in cases, toxic faculty
202097000DermatologyMS/MDPGvmmc and safdarjungDelhiDelhiGood
2020110000General surgeryNon-AcademicSenior Resident General surgeryFortis hospital shalimar baghDelhiDelhiNil academics and only assistance to consultant in name of surgical hands on exposure
202090000NeurosurgeryDNB SuperspecialtySenior ResidentParas HospitalsGurgaonHaryanaGood variety of cases, Good Exposure, Renowned Faculty, Limited hands on, alternate day seminars, toxic faculty
202085000NeurologyDNB SuperspecialtySenior ResidentParas Hospital, GurgaonGurgaonHaryanaGood academics, inpatient and outpatient load

This survey aimed to collect and share information for making a crucial decision of joining a
particular institute. To get good students and keep stipends low usually institutes do not disclose stipends and salaries for PG and Superspecialty residents until the last moment. Thus let's all help each other in taking an informed decision by sharing our stipends, specialty, post, institute and state.
Also please spend some time in reviewing your institute regarding the quality of clinical exposure, teaching, hands on experience and other aspects.

This will build a single depository for taking decision before joining a particular institute.

This data is purely anonymous, so you need not worry about your identity.

Survey report and results will be available on World Surgery Forum or can be viewed after contributing your information.

You can also contribute anonymous information about your institute at the link below:

Indian Resident Doctors Salary/Stipend Survey

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Getting many queries regarding the selection of the best MCQ/EMQ Online Question banks for MRCS Part A Preparation. The decision to select amongst these can be daunting as these courses are costly. While preparing for MRCS Exam, I came across unending list of sites that offer MRCS part A questions. Sharing my experience here on shortlisting the best site for MRCS online quesitons.

Listing down the comparison between Pastest vs OneExam and eMRCS below:

  • Pastest : Over 4,300 MRCS A exam-themed questions. Number of questions available is highest offering a broad coverage of most subject areas. Their website is better in terms of usability and looks.
  • eMRCS : Over 2,000 Single Best Answer and Extended Matching questions based on themes from previous exams. The questions are good quality and best approximation of real exam questions
  • OnExam : Over 3000 (1,700 single best answer questions, 1,300 extended matching items) and 2015 Mock Test
  • 123Doc : 2,117 MRCS Part A questions

EMRCS VS PASTEST : Cost

eMRCS costs about 30 pounds for 4 months
Or 40 pounds for 6 months
The questions are pretty standard

Pastest is costlier. Around 84 pounds for booking 2 months prior to exam and around 125 pounds for booking 4-6 months prior to exam. Thoughl the level of questions will be slightly higher/tougher than emrcs

Pastest Demo Screenshot






eMRCS Demo Screenshot





OneExam Demo Screenshot





If you can afford and are able to get the material online, using any two of these will be more than sufficient to pass MRCS part A. You can buy Pastest and any one other course on sharing basis between your friends. Pastest has a good coverage and most people use it in their preparation. I used Pastest and eMRCS  which were shared by two of us preparing for MRCS.

We often receive questions like the one below:

Is it mandatory to purchase emrcs online?? Can I survive without it?
Definitely you can pass without purchase online courses. Here are the substitutes for online MRCS question banks.  You can also search for offline old emrcs and pastest material too.

Offline Substitutes to Online MRCS Question Banks

However if due to some reasons you are not able to get a subscription of these sites or you are more comfortable with books, you can use following books, they can also give you a good coverage of topics asked in MRCS Part A.


Keywords: MRCS Part A, MRCS Exam, MRCS A, Pastest MRCS,  How to pass MRCS, MRCS Part A experience, MRCS Part A Questions, MRCS Exam Questions, MRCS Part 1
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HOW TO CRACK MRCS PART A AND THE BEST BOOKS FOR MRCS PART A PREPARATION
http://www.worldsurgeryforum.net/2016/04/how-to-crack-mrcs-part-and-best-books.html

MRCS PART B PREPARATION FREE VIDEOS
http://www.worldsurgeryforum.net/2016/12/mrcs-part-b-preparation-free-videos.html

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT MRCS EXAM PREPARATION
http://www.worldsurgeryforum.net/2016/10/frequently-asked-questions-for-mrcs.html
By Dr Ashutosh Karn
February 2 at 8:55 pm
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Guys , don't feel low if you didn't get what you expected..
Just wanted to share a short story of mine after seeing many posts I can imagine myself I have been there too in same boat frustrated. But I just believed in myself and got my desired branch (orthopaedics at 19k rank), govt hospital Dr Shyama Prasad Mukherjee (Civil) Hospital, Lucknow. With good stipend 70k.., n free hands on surgery..good patient loads 350+ opd..

I was performing really well in May and had great ranks in JIMPER and PGI. Even I was getting some branches there, but my heart was with ortho. I can't imagine anything without.

But i was shattered after nov aiims, it was very difficult for me study.. December was horrible for me ..being locked in a room for 2 years no friends i stayed away from everybody for neet..
. But i took an oath that i will study till neet and i won't touch my preparation books after neet again..

I have given my best i can't screw my head anymore
I will live my life and enjoy it fullest..

But to worse result shocked me and i landed up at 19k which i never expected... And my dream for ortho was shatterd.. I was depressed.

. I joined metro hospital to escape.. Most guys working there resigned from job..
After results n i was in dilema too.. N was so frustrated.

But i stick to promise made to myself " result was not in my hands but happiness is ..n ab paise kmane h dba ke... I stopped giving damn about life..
Then parties.. N parties..

N i got job in lardy harding medical college..after i secured good rank in their entrance.. I was getting everything.. But i wanted to be a surgeon so my options were ortho if not then ophtha.. As no surgery as i don't wanted to study for 6 more years i don't want to spoil my youth n freedom.. So i can get an idea about ophtha in best institute of India n reliased m not for ophtha.. That's don't suits my tough personality...so i was clear abt not choosing ophtha.. Bcz for ortho i had idea but for ophtha u don't hv enough exposure in internship unless u work there...

So be aware in choosing branch. It's more complicated

N i was doing night in private hospital too with lhmc .. So i was earning really good... Which made me happy... ""

One of my friend who had better rank than me told me even he wanted orthopaedics too but won't get at this rank. So he started preparing for dnb june n didn't register for dnb counselling...
And advised me same ..not have false hope...

But dnb june cancelled n he was shattered.. N told me you were right at least you have job n u r happy.. So positiveness matters..

No body expected that i will get orthopedic at this rank.. I started following counselling very closely n having very close watch on wb n mh state counselling n i called many n convinced them to resign from dnb if they are already alloted in states.. N many did.. So miracle happened in dnb mop up..
N my parents are proud of being wrong (who asked me to compromise n settle with ophtha) n me right...

And i chose a government hospital in lucknow in mop up which was the newly added with good patient loads 350 + opd ..n free hands on surgery....

So have a close watch on newly added government hospitals ..

Just one advice neet is 400m race ..now you are done 300m ..still 100m (counselling) is left.. Dont look back if you are ahead (good rankers )..choose your desired branch instead of city ,hospitals,stipend as its just for 3 years..

. A girl got around 3000k rank n she waited
Till mop up and took dnb radio gangaram.. That s guts ... That you all need to have now

N average rankers like me.. For you just believe in yourself and go for dnb mop up ... N follow counsellings.. Be wise and have patience n u will get your branch...

U can defeat good rankers in this last 100m..if you play wise..just respect your rank...

.just chill n dont feel frustrated"


Now focuss on money,, job.. Paisa .. Khusi deti h.. Neet ka b gm bhula degi itni taakat hai isme.. 😂 jokes apart...

One more thing now there is bond everywhere except delhi in md ms.. So your post graduation is 4-6 years. In dnb there is no bond so even if u get a back yr pg is of 3.5 years n by 6 years you will have many fellowship or dm or mch... Which is must nowadays ..

Dnb u clear by your own guts.. So you are far better ..
So don't underestimate..

After all you will be called an orthopedics surgeon.. Physician or paediatrics .gynaecologist.. It doesn't matter MD MS or dnb or diploma.but it's all yours capability..

I have seen many diploma are better n earning more than ms md guys..

As many queries.. Dnb stipend is equivalent to MD ms.. Max in delhi (90-95k) then u. P 70k..

Note- once you are alloted seat anywhere neet, states or dnb round 123 you are ineligible for dnb mop up...
So choose wisely
- if you rank is less than 30k and its not your first drop ,settle this time as u ll get clinical branches .in mop up ..as i have seen many guys after drop their ranks are not improved.. U ll feel frustrated n yr speed will slow down. ..

Only if you are determined that u can study thoroughly then go for drop... Don't waste much time in preparation.. U ll be starting from zero once you get your branch....

N candidates with rank above 17k wait for mop up it will be jackpot for you all..
Min. Stipend is 35 k that's dnb last year guidelines..
- choose government hospitals for surgical branches..
No dnb seats in rml lucknow from this year as it is merged to medical college

For branch just ask yourself whether u want to be a surgeon or physician.. N choose accordingly..no branch is bad. U can make it better if you have interest.

All the best


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Which are the best books (Subject-wise) for preparing for NEET PG Entrance?

Best Books for NEET PG 2020

AnatomyRajesh Kaushal
PhysiologyDr. Souman Manna
Biochemistry Rebecca James
PharmacologyGobind Rai Garg and Sparsh Gupta
PathologySparsh Gupta
MicrobiologyRachna Chaurasia
Forensic MedicineArvind Arora
MedicineDeepak Marwah
SurgeryPritesh Singh
PSMVivek Jain
OBS and GynaeSakshi Arora
ENTManisha Sinha and Sachin Budhiraja
OphthalmologyRuchi Rai

Sudha Seetharam 
PediatricsTaruna Mehra
OrthopedicsApurv Mehra
DermatologySaurabh Jindal
AnesthesiaVivek Jain
RadiologyRajat Jain

Mayur Arun Kulkarni 
PsychiatryPraveen Tripathi
Image-BasedPHOTON or Final Edge

Here is a list of prescribed books for NEET PG preparation by few successful candidates on Quora:

You can view and purchase all these books on Amazon India at this Link

Dr Giridharan Shanmugam (AIIMS rank 88, JIPMER rank 103, NEET PG rank 760)
ANATOMY — Chaurasia; Arvind Arora
PHYSIOLOGY — CRISP
BIOCHEMISTRY - Vasudevan; Rebecca James
PATHOLOGY — Robbins; Vandana Puri
MICROBIOLOGY — Anathanarayanan; Apurba shastry
FM — Sumer sethi
ENT — Dhingra; Sakshi Arora
OPHTHAL — Khurana; Sudha Seetharaman
MEDICINE — Harrisons; Deepak Marwah, Vinod Khanna
SURGERY — SRB; Rajamahendran
OG — Shaw and Mudaliar; Sakshi Arora
PAEDIATRICS — Ghai; Around Arora
ORTHO — Maheshwary; Apuev Mehra
RADIOLOGY and DERM — Arvind arora


Dr Kesha Meghashyam (JIPMER : AIR 1, PGI 2017 : AIR 3, AIIMS 2017 : AIR 17)
Anatomy- Pulse + Rajesh Kaushal notes
Physiology- Soumen Manna
Biochem- Rebecca James
Pathology- Devesh Mishra
Pharmacology- Ranjan Kumar Patel
Forensic- Sumit Seth
Microbiology- Apurba Sastry
ENT- Manisha
Opthalmology - Sudha Seetharam
SPM- Vivek Jain
Medicine- Mudit Khanna
Pediatrics- Sushanta Bhanja
Surgery- Pritesh + Surgery Sixer by RRM
Gynae & Obs- Punit Bhojani
Orthopedics- Apurv Mehra
Radiology- Sumer Seth
Skin- Pulse



What is NEXT exam?

NEXT is a national level exit exam after MBBS that will standardize the quality of general medical professionals who graduate to clinical practice. It is also intended to serve as the national level PG entrance examination for MBBS graduates.

This concept is similar to examinations in other countries (like the USMLE in the United States),

What is the Proposed format for NEXT exam ?



Proposed Next exam format at today's meeting with MCI BoG & Niti Aayog.In short, the final details are:

1. NEXT will be 2 exams.

2. Both will definitely implemented for the Batch of 2017. Batch of 2016 should be prepared to give a Qualifying exam at the end of Internship to be allowed to practice.

3. There will be consideration of quashing of the Final 2 Year Profs, converting them to IA by College and instead conducting a NEXT 1 exam (in March)after course completion (in Jan).

Those who qualify (Cutoff decided by NMC), they will be allowed to start Internship. Otherwise you have to wait 1 year (as of now).

We have strongly put forward the necessity of a Supplementary Exam and it will be considered, now that plans for quashing an Essay Based Final 3rd and 4th Profs is being discussed.

So we can hope for a Supple.

We will have only 2 months after Course Completion and NEXT 1.

4. At the end of Internship, there will be NEXT 2 (after 1 month). It will test Clinical Skills and there will definitely be Another attempt.

5. Scores will be in percentile.

6. NEXT 1 will be conducted over 3 days. I will share the Details asap. (Details are still confidential and can't be divulged right now before ratification). It will be in an integrated fashion.

Suggestions to JIPMERites: Closely follow NEET pattern as the same pattern will be followed in NEXT. (The same people who made this year's NEET will be making the paper for NEXT).

Stop solving Previous year JIPMER papers and only concentrate on developing the Concepts. (See AIIMS papers to have an understanding of what I mean)

There will be no separate JIPMER or AIIMS exam. (As decided till now.)

Extended info

There will be Two Exams under NEXT

NEXT1 1st after 4.5yrs - Licencing

NEXT2 2nd after 5.5yrs - PG Selection


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